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    Post  JulianDicksLeftKnee on Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:17 am

    Without a crystal ball I don't know. I think it's time for a change as everybody seems aggrieved-I have not been for some time so not seen the football first hand; so does my opinion count on a footballing point of view-no, I don't think so.

    My points were mainly about the job done and achieved; I think the average fan forgets that-and hangs hard on the latest result(s). I think in the circumstances what has been achieved, as a business, is exceptional. Football aesthetics aside.

    Whatever his tactical failings or perceived failings-he has done the job asked of him. I feek the next step is cruciual and a courageous one. We have a season or so untill we go into the OS, and we want to do so as a Premier side. So, do we play a safe (as safe as anything can be in football) steady non-exciting brand of mediocrity to get to that stage or do we put it in the lap of the Gods and change resources and philosophy?

    I think as a club we are abut at our level as a Prem team. Certainly in my lifetime I would say this ius our "average" and I suppose thats how I see things-no expectation, no disappointment but I do think it will be brave of the people that matter, the deciders, whether they take the massive risk-and it will be; massive.

    Never been a lover of Sam's game and never will be-thankfully I have not the time or financial investment of bona fide match attending games so I don't feel my opinion is valid as such. Yes I would love a team playing the West Ham way-whatever that is and would be likely to go more. But can the business (which is the clkub) afford that risk?

    In the survey on another thread I said yes, keep him. But that survey was a one question survey written by a monkey-the other questions were just standard driven filler questions. I voted yes for one reason-without knowing the direction, names and financial backing of any incumbents, I'd feel safer for the safety of my club with Sam. But would be less likely to go. The question is too one-dimensional.

    Football, is a business and like in any business of the entertainment world, compromises have tio be made. Singers have to cover songs, not write or choose their ow; actors have to do adverts to pay the bills. The longer term picture is not apparent to fans. Without the business foresight to play safe and build upon that, anything else is just a punt.

    I'm confusing myself now. No I don't want Sam's brand oif football but I do want a settled, secure West Ham before risking a top-to-bottom rebuild.
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    Post  alfiehammer on Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:31 am

    interesting that the bottom three all changed their managers and suffered as a result. sunderland should (I'm sorry to say) never have appointed PDC in the first place.


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    Post  mottinghammer on Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:39 am

    JulianDicksLeftKnee wrote:Without a crystal ball I don't know. I think it's time for a change as everybody seems aggrieved-I have not been for some time so not seen the football first hand; so does my opinion count on a footballing point of view-no, I don't think so.

    My points were mainly about the job done and achieved; I think the average fan forgets that-and hangs hard on the latest result(s). I think in the circumstances what has been achieved, as a business, is exceptional. Football aesthetics aside.

    Whatever his tactical failings or perceived failings-he has done the job asked of him. I feek the next step is cruciual and a courageous one. We have a season or so untill we go into the OS, and we want to do so as a Premier side. So, do we play a safe (as safe as anything can be in football) steady non-exciting brand of mediocrity to get to that stage or do we put it in the lap of the Gods and change resources and philosophy?

    I think as a club we are abut at our level as a Prem team. Certainly in my lifetime I would say this ius our "average" and I suppose thats how I see things-no expectation, no disappointment but I do think it will be brave of the people that matter, the deciders, whether they take the massive risk-and it will be; massive.

    Never been a lover of Sam's game and never will be-thankfully I have not the time or financial investment of bona fide match attending games so I don't feel my opinion is valid as such. Yes I would love a team playing the West Ham way-whatever that is and would be likely to go more. But can the business (which is the clkub) afford that risk?

    In the survey on another thread I said yes, keep him. But that survey was a one question survey written by a monkey-the other questions were just standard driven filler questions. I voted yes for one reason-without knowing the direction, names and financial backing of any incumbents, I'd feel safer for the safety of my club with Sam. But would be less likely to go. The question is too one-dimensional.

    Football, is a business and like in any business of the entertainment world, compromises have tio be made. Singers have to cover songs, not write or choose their ow; actors have to do adverts to pay the bills. The longer term picture is not apparent to fans. Without the business foresight to play safe and build upon that, anything else is just a punt.

    I'm confusing myself now. No I don't want Sam's brand oif football but I do want a settled, secure West Ham before risking a top-to-bottom rebuild.
    Lot of sense being written here, I would get rid of BFS because of the way things have gone in the short ter. However in the long term as JDLK says we are where we should be, mid table and in the premiership. I would rather that than see us end up like Lids and others playing in the Chumps for years with little real chance of regaining lost glory. I would love to play the 'West Ham way' but that's in my claret n blue tinted specs in forever Bobby Moore land, with Billy Bonds scoring hatricks and PDC doing tricks for fun. The best we can hope for is staying up and the odd cup (would be nice for a change).
    Who would want to come to us that could actually make us better than we are? Not many I fear.  
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    Post  Hungry Hammer 66 on Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:32 am

    What is plain and clear is that we are no longer United as a club and the Dave's have to address that first
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    Post  alfiehammer on Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:35 am

    mottinghammer wrote:
    JulianDicksLeftKnee wrote:Without a crystal ball I don't know. I think it's time for a change as everybody seems aggrieved-I have not been for some time so not seen the football first hand; so does my opinion count on a footballing point of view-no, I don't think so.

    My points were mainly about the job done and achieved; I think the average fan forgets that-and hangs hard on the latest result(s). I think in the circumstances what has been achieved, as a business, is exceptional. Football aesthetics aside.

    Whatever his tactical failings or perceived failings-he has done the job asked of him. I feek the next step is cruciual and a courageous one. We have a season or so untill we go into the OS, and we want to do so as a Premier side. So, do we play a safe (as safe as anything can be in football) steady non-exciting brand of mediocrity to get to that stage or do we put it in the lap of the Gods and change resources and philosophy?

    I think as a club we are abut at our level as a Prem team. Certainly in my lifetime I would say this ius our "average" and I suppose thats how I see things-no expectation, no disappointment but I do think it will be brave of the people that matter, the deciders, whether they take the massive risk-and it will be; massive.

    Never been a lover of Sam's game and never will be-thankfully I have not the time or financial investment of bona fide match attending games so I don't feel my opinion is valid as such. Yes I would love a team playing the West Ham way-whatever that is and would be likely to go more. But can the business (which is the clkub) afford that risk?

    In the survey on another thread I said yes, keep him. But that survey was a one question survey written by a monkey-the other questions were just standard driven filler questions. I voted yes for one reason-without knowing the direction, names and financial backing of any incumbents, I'd feel safer for the safety of my club with Sam. But would be less likely to go. The question is too one-dimensional.

    Football, is a business and like in any business of the entertainment world, compromises have tio be made. Singers have to cover songs, not write or choose their ow; actors have to do adverts to pay the bills. The longer term picture is not apparent to fans. Without the business foresight to play safe and build upon that, anything else is just a punt.

    I'm confusing myself now. No I don't want Sam's brand oif football but I do want a settled, secure West Ham before risking a top-to-bottom rebuild.
    Lot of sense being written here, I would get rid of BFS because of the way things have gone in the short ter. However in the long term as JDLK says we are where we should be, mid table and in the premiership. I would rather that than see us end up like Lids and others playing in the Chumps for years with little real chance of regaining lost glory. I would love to play the 'West Ham way' but that's in my claret n blue tinted specs in forever Bobby Moore land, with Billy Bonds scoring hatricks and PDC doing tricks for fun. The best we can hope for is staying up and the odd cup (would be nice for a change).
    Who would want to come to us that could actually make us better than we are? Not many I fear.  

    indeed a lot of sense being written. i bet fans of clubs such as charlton, wolves, portsmouth and birmingham would chop off a left bullock to be in our 'sorry' position. we aren't too badly off either. from a business perspective Sam has helped our chairmen achieve what they need. and i certainly won't tolerate a word said against our chairmen. look at the shit brim are going through with there bent as fupp foreign backer.
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    Post  westhamonkey on Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:47 am

    JDLK seems to have overdosed on the sensible pills... a few more of those spread around the various opinions here might not be a bad thing.

    The problem is, and I've been suffering this recently as much as JDLK seems to be, you can argue our position quite logically from any side you want.

    Carroll has been pretty piss poor in his last few games. Yes, when he first came back he looked dangerous, passionate, a steal at £15m... but in the last few games... pants.
    So... it's easy to say, sure, Carroll makes us one dimensional, he's not doing his job... ship him out.
    But it's also true that a striker thrives on service... and we don't give him the ball... I got bored yesterday watching Carroll collecting or challenging for the ball on the halfway line or inside our half of the pitch... that's not where your number 9 should be. There should be a midfield doing that to then provide device to the forward.

    We did the same with Carlton Cole up front (except on the few occasions when CC got the ball he did fupp all with it)

    SO, depending on your point of view or which side of the bed you got out of... you can simply choose the 'Carroll's not worth it' or the 'no forward would work with our system' argument.

    Similar with the 'ship out the manager' argument.

    Look at the panicked teams who kicked out their managers... they're all still struggling and looking likely for relegation. But then look at Palace... a right bunch of shitshovellers... but Pulis turned them into something akin to worldbeaters on their current form (and at the same time Stoke aren't anywhere close to going down)

    So there's no conclusive evidence that a new manager is a guarantee of anything. Personally I'm more of the 'stick with, work through it' rather than 'chop and change with the wind' school of thought.
    So what do we do on the management front?
    Lots of people want change. I want change... but I want change in the fortunes of the team... the 'names' are almost irrelevant compared to that.

    I was never a fan of BFSA... but when he came in he did what we've never done in our history... then kept us in the Prem and got us to tenth. Truly, there's little to no defending this season apart from a protracted argument about how much the early season injuries hurt us (they unquestionably did... but then we're now at 'full strength' and playing worse than ever)

    On one hand you can say with confidence, Sam has taken this bunch of players as far as they can go and that any new manager would have the same problems getting them motivated and organized - but then those same players have put in good shifts and good performances at times this season, so perhaps a new manager could get consistently better performances... but who really knows?

    Yesterday was a good case in point for voting against BFSA. 90% of our attacks came down the left flank. But no one supported Carroll at all so unless he got the first touch and got it on target, we just lost possession. But then we took off not one but both wingers and opted for a straight up the middle approach - which would never work against a solid defense like WBA had.
    So the tactical nouse looked absent - and in the post match spiel, Sam himself said we were having success via the wings - which makes his removing our route of 'success' even more inexplicable.

    Our midfield is the main cause of our problems. Noble runs around like a headless chicken. Nolan wants to be the ultimate poacher or sitting at home watching TV (I can never tell which) and Diame (arguably our most talented player) is rarely, if ever, allowed to control the midfield because even when he's played in that position, he gets no support or cover from Noble and Nolan.

    Our defense goes from world-class to embarrassing school boy level seemingly on a coin toss or any other kind of whim.

    Which again is part of the frustration... it's who is going to turn up... who is going to put in a shift... you just never know.

    Then there's the perennial question we ask... "who in their right mind is going to come to us?"

    From a playing perspective the answer is sadly the same old also-rans and underachievers that we've been picking up over the years.

    The OS is not a draw for players. European football seems to be and we're a long, long way away from that. Even ManUre with their money and cachet are going to suffer this year without it...

    From a management perspective, things aren't quite as bleak. Yes... top flight and European football are a big part of the lure... but there's also not that many places you can go where you can manage a team in a 50,000+ stadium.
    So there is a hook to bring someone in who's not just a Championship manager with little or no track record... but this then is couched in the 'what kind of players' is a new manager going to be able to bring in?

    Like I said yesterday, I honestly feel we're in need of about 7-10 new first team players. Even on the dirt cheap that's going to cost you £50m+ and we do not have anywhere close to that kind of capital to spend.

    The one thing I do feel we need to do regardless of who is our manager is to change the system.

    we need two up front and to reconfigure the midfield to go along with that.

    I too remember the glory days of wingers... that's what number 7 and 11 were all about. But you have to use them, not just one of them and they have to produce service to the forward(s).

    And up front you need more than one person. And you do NOT want Carroll and Cole. They both play exactly the same game, except Carroll is streets ahead of where Cole will ever be. So playing both is pointless and playing Cole instead of Carroll better be the result of an injury because there's no other excuse.

    Which means you need another player to partner Carroll. That can either be  a midfielder who whenever possible pushes forward to join the forward, or an out and out 2nd forward (which seems to be the combination that brought us our greatest successes)

    Nolan isn't that player because he doesn't put in the work rate or seem consistent enough (or bothered) to pull it off.

    Maybe RVT could do it - but I'm not convinced he's the answer. Maybe Nocerino could give it a go but he's leaving us in two games time isn't he? So even if that worked it solves nothing.

    It's so hard to see where this club is going.

    I think we were closer to going out of business completely than any of us truly know or would have dreamed - so kudos to those that have kept us in business and in the premiership...

    But how we move on from here... I'm really not sure. I just know that we have to.


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    Post  SemiOldIron on Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:23 am

    I find it very difficult to think of an available manager, that would want to take over as we are, that would be an improvement of BFS, but I think if we lose badly at home to the Spurts and crash and burn against the Blue Moonies then pressure for a change will be very, very strong. The Daves may well resist it, they are hard-nosed bastards, but if one or the other of them loses faith in BFS............
    Just asking, but did Steve Clarke leave under a cloud or did he just have to go when Zola got sacked?
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    Post  westhamonkey on Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:39 am


    he left 'not long after' by 'mutual consent' - having been made the highest paid assistant manager in the league.

    6 months later he went to Liverpool.

    He tried to resign from both Liverpool and Chelsea but managed both although he claims he was sacked by the 'Pool after a decent time in the dug out with Dalgleish.


    I've no idea what any of that means.
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    Post  JulianDicksLeftKnee on Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:51 am

    Typical Sweaty!
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    Post  Hungry Hammer 66 on Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:42 am

    Looks like Guardiola may be available after that result tonight, may be he would relish the challenge of coming to a smaller club with very little to spend on quality players, and could coach our mob to actually pass the ball to others wearing claret and blue (unless we are away to Villa or Burnley) !! with out launching it hopefully from our own half into the scrum in and around the opponents box !!
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    Post  Tony P on Fri May 02, 2014 7:44 pm

    BFS is truly deluded. From the offishul............

    We haven't kept ourselves up again just yet. Just to get a result in our last home game is very important to us all. We want to finish the season without leaving a dampener on it because of our recent results. I said after the game at West Brom that nobody wants to be criticised, but the game is the game, and it is what it is at the moment. Hostility in terms of disapproval of what you're doing or not doing is part of the job. All together, everybody keeps telling me about how we need to play and what performances we need to give, but in our last four games all of our performances have been very good. But without a result, then comes criticism, so the perception of how you play the game or how you should play the game comes down to only one thing, and that's results, not what you've done for the 90 minutes.
    "It's about have you won at the end of it. We've lost all of our last four, but the performances have been as good as the opposition, and in lots of cases better. I can't remember us playing as well as we did against Liverpool this season, but we lost to two penalties and it's a defeat, rather than getting something out of the game against one of the favourites to win the league.
    "Against Arsenal the overall performance was there, then Crystal Palace and West Brom, everyone talks about possession and we out-possessed both Crystal Palace and West Brom, but because we haven't won everyone perceives that they were poor performances. I know what is right, and I know it's a results-driven business. We're not getting results and without results you get criticised, and we all accept that."

    Unbelievable pig-headed delusional manager lalala
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    Post  Suzanne Claret on Fri May 02, 2014 8:53 pm

    He won't get his marching orders though will he.

    The Double D's will give him another season, give him until his current contract expires.
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    Post  Tony P on Fri May 02, 2014 9:03 pm

    Suzanne Claret wrote:He won't get his marching orders though will he.

    The Double D's will give him another season, give him until his current contract expires.

    True. As he said yesterday "he is doing what the owners have asked him to do" ie keep us in the Premiership

    Big year for him next year though. Last year of his contract and the penultimate season before we go to the OS
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    Post  Tony P on Fri May 02, 2014 11:22 pm

    BFS's London Evening Standard column
    Sam Allardyce

    02 May 2014



    There is no hiding the fact that we expected to do better this season. I saw the banner at West Brom last weekend and I understand the fans’ frustrations.

    My first responsibility has to be to the people who employ me but I also have a commitment to the supporters of West Ham United. I don’t take on the fans; there is no future in picking an argument with them. I understand their frustration, I really do. It’s not what some of them say about me which really matters — it’s that it can affect the players.
    If we’re not doing as well as they would like — and we’re not at the moment — their response can help turn that around, or it can make it worse.
    I know how difficult it is because they want to come to the Boleyn Ground, see their team do well and be excited by the football.
    This season we haven’t done that enough and when that happens you can’t expect your fans just to go home satisfied.
    It’s easy to urge them, against Tottenham tomorrow, to stick with us but the truth is we have to give them something. We have to go out and emulate our performance against Liverpool, without conceding two penalties.
    I want us to go out there and put Spurs under pressure, the same way we put Liverpool under the pump recently.
    I want to stay in my job and help take this club forward. There is no point in treading water and just surviving. If that is the extent of your vision as a manager, then you have no ambition. I want to help grow this team so that they win more than they lose.
    There’s not much wrong with the in-between but the two critical ends at either end of the pitch are not right at the moment.
    The defensive solidarity we had earlier in the season is not there and we are not finishing our chances.
    If we don’t repeat the mistakes we have made recently, any team would have trouble breaking us down.
    Although we haven’t done what we wanted to do, the No1 priority was to stay in the Premier League and while we can’t say for certain yet that we have reached that goal, it looks like we have protected that status for the second successive season.
    That will increase the revenue for the club beyond what it has been before.
    Halfway through my first season here, when we were battling to get out of the Championship and back to the top at the first attempt, the revenue for Premier League clubs rose from an estimated £45million to £70m.
    Immediately the pressure, from a business point of view, to be in a position to get that sort of revenue became much greater.
    It was then we got together, David Sullivan, David Gold and Karren Brady, and agreed to go out during the January transfer window to buy and loan some players to help get us there.
    That objective was achieved, via the play-offs. The criteria, the following season, was to establish ourselves in that top flight and to do that we had to move players out — a considerable number — and sign others which would give us the best possible chance of maintaining our new status.
    We did that.
    That first season back in the Premier League was fantastic in terms of consistency and results, particularly at home.
    At the end of that season we asked ourselves, ‘What can we do to ensure we match that first year back?’ We knew it would be difficult because, although we were trying to improve the team, so were all the other clubs.
    We set our target again as 10th in the Premier League — the same as the previous season. To achieve that, we knew we would probably need more than the 46 points we finished with last term.
    We haven’t done that although had we done better in these last four games in terms of results — not performances — we would have been over the 40‑point mark.
    Like every manager and every player you don’t want to finish the season on a low note but that’s what we’re doing having lost the last four.
    Unless we pick up two results, against Spurs tomorrow and at Manchester City on the final day, we will end our season on a low — and for me that is really poor.
    Despite all that we have, to all intents and purposes, done what we set out to do and that is stay in the Premier League.
    We’re 14th and, make no mistake, we will do everything to move up a couple of places in these last two games.
    One other thing. At the start of this season I was mindful that the fans were hungry for a decent cup run and the Capital One Cup was an opportunity to achieve that and use our 25-man squad.
    Some of that squad were new, some emerging players — they had to be given the chance. If they did well, we knew it would give us more options later in the season.
    No one took that chance more than Adrian and his performances, with others, took us right through to the semi-final, beating Tottenham on the way. You could say we were unlucky with the draw to have been paired with a rampant Manchester City side when we were at our most vulnerable.
    If there is one thing I’ve learned this season it is that life as a manager has become shorter than ever.
    The parameters of the job now are to improve things as quickly as you can because you haven’t got a lot of time. If you want to stay in the job you must continue to get the results because the moment you don’t then most owners — not all of them I hasten to add — feel under pressure to make the change.
    As for my employers, I have been asked if I take comfort from the fact that they didn’t make a change in mid-season, when we were at our lowest ebb.
    My answer is that ‘comfort’ isn’t quite the right word. I appreciate greatly their strong stance back then but it was still an agonising time for me because the team weren’t doing as well as I wanted them to do.
    The agony is still there for me because, right now, I am not getting the best out of the team.
    Back in December I wouldn’t take full responsibility because of our horrendous injuries but, right now, all the players are reasonably fit, which means the responsibility is mine.
    Unlike back then, there is competition for places so it’s my responsibility — as well as the staff and the players themselves.
    Dylan Tombides, a young man I’ll never forget

    A few days ago we attended the memorial service for Dylan Tombides, who passed away recently from cancer, aged just 20.
    My programme notes for tomorrow sum up how I feel about the young man.
    “In my 40 years in football, I have never come across anyone as brave, courageous and positive as Dylan.
    “Throughout the three years that I knew and worked with him, he always gave 100 per cent in everything he did, whether that was fighting the horrible disease that ultimately took him from us, playing football, golf or the many other sports he enjoyed, supporting charitable causes or simply improving the lives of those around him.
    “Sat in St Paul’s Church during the service held in his memory, all I could think of was Dylan and the big smile on his face when I told him he would be making his first-team debut against Wigan Athletic in September 2012.
    “He thoroughly deserved that debut, because his talent was outstanding.
    “It is very difficult these days for promising youngsters to break into the Barclays Premier League but I have absolutely no doubt that Dylan would have played regularly in the Barclays Premier League — he was that good.
    “Dylan’s passing has left everyone associated with this club feeling a deep shock and sadness and our thoughts and sincere condolences go to his family and everyone lucky enough to have known him.”
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    Post  Jiggs on Sat May 03, 2014 1:16 am

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    3 wins against Tottenham

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    Mid table finish

    One of the best defensive units in years

    Tony Cottee has said it himself even when he was in the team they weren't playing attractive football......I really don't give a crap about the style, Zola tried it, it failed.....We don't have the players to do it, we don't have the money to buy the players that can do it......What we do have is a manager who isn't in the ilk of the top managers who all they want to be able to do is purchase £40 million players......

    What I would like to see is a pacy left back to replace Linda, and someone like Behrami to run and run and run in midfield when Noble or Nolan gives the ball away.

    Our youth players clearly aren't good enough at the minute to come through to the set up, and until we move into that Olympic stadium and get more money in it won't matter what manager we have come in it will still be the same style of football.........If it got us mid table again I wouldn't be complaining!
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    Post  alfiehammer on Mon May 05, 2014 9:08 pm

    Stooby Doo 2002 wrote:3 wins against Tottenham

    A league cup semi final

    Mid table finish

    One of the best defensive units in years

    Tony Cottee has said it himself even when he was in the team they weren't playing attractive football......I really don't give a crap about the style, Zola tried it, it failed.....We don't have the players to do it, we don't have the money to buy the players that can do it......What we do have is a manager who isn't in the ilk of the top managers who all they want to be able to do is purchase £40 million players......

    What I would like to see is a pacy left back to replace Linda, and someone like Behrami to run and run and run in midfield when Noble or Nolan gives the ball away.

    Our youth players clearly aren't good enough at the minute to come through to the set up, and until we move into that Olympic stadium and get more money in it won't matter what manager we have come in it will still be the same style of football.........If it got us mid table again I wouldn't be complaining!

    a very well balanced counter argument dude...
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    Post  Campo on Tue May 06, 2014 12:32 am

    Big Sam changing tact ?



    Allardyce: “We must entertain the fans”
    West Ham boss Sam Allardyce claims the club has to go out this summer and find players that “can handle the ball and deliver in the final third” describing that “as vital.”
    In an e-mail to supporters the manger claims he’s not criticising any of his players saying: “They’ve given all that they’ve got – our job is always to improve the squad as you can’t stand still in this league.”
    He added: “Now we are mathematically safe, we’ve got to go out and find better players to improve the squad. I’m not criticising any of them whatsoever.
    He added: If we can add a bit more flair and finishing power then we should be looking to finish in the top ten or better next season. We’ve got to entertain the fans and play the right kind of football.”
    The Hammers go to Manchester City for the final game of the season and Allardyce declared: “We can now look forward to a really good performance at Manchester City, but at the same time knowing that when we get back next season we will be in the Barclays Premier League and we’ll try to do better than we did this.”
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    Post  Jiggs on Tue May 06, 2014 7:30 am

    blah blah   Rolling Eyes  


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    Post  Sir Ian on Tue May 06, 2014 3:08 pm

    tbh i can give several reasons why he should go and several reasons for him to stay
    so i'll just sit here and get splinters on the fence Smile
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    Post  SemiOldIron on Wed May 07, 2014 2:49 am

    Well, the man's not going to be pushed out and I can't think of any reason why he should walk (unless Barca want to take a really radical approach to their problems), so we are stuck with him again. We just have to hope that he can see what is missing from the squad  and that he has the scouting contacts to rectify it. I'm anticipating a major clear out and an influx of foreign players that we've never heard of - again. Hopefully this time we might find a diamond or two, we have certainly worked our way through a whole heap of rubbish over the past few seasons.
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    Post  Admin on Wed May 07, 2014 3:07 am

    As much as I would like a change for the simple reason I get tired of the squeaky bum times every season . I would like to see some seasons with us finishing in the top half , Fat Sam is not the man for this but it looks like we are stuck with him + who could we get . Maybe use  the money we would pay to get rid of the slob on a player that can help us achieve top half finishes + what D&D need to spend , we dont want to move to the new gaff in the coco pops do we
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    Post  Campo on Wed May 07, 2014 4:07 am

    £3m to sack him would be the cost
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    Post  SemiOldIron on Fri May 09, 2014 10:22 pm

    Campo wrote:£3m to sack him would be the cost

    Can't see the Daves spending that just for a change of face and to keep some of the fans quiet.
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    Post  Campo on Fri May 09, 2014 10:29 pm

    He will be in the last year of his contract
    we know there is slim chance of getting relegated with Sam in charge
    the OS is just around the corner
    so I think he will probably stay for this season (with Sulli taking a much bigger interest in the transfers as per the rumours)
    That way we save £3m which could be added to the transfer kitty
    also the £3m compo would come out of the FFP wage bill

    Financially it makes sense to keep the pie eater for another season.

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