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    Why soccer is the correct term ;)

    Post  Stooby Doo 2002 on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 3:30 pm

    This was found on Yahoo.........Turns out we make ourselves look a little silly when we lambast the Americans for calling it 'soccer'
    It never takes long if you find yourself watching a big World Cup match at a party or pub before the inevitable question comes up: why do some people - and particularly Americans - insist on calling football "soccer"?
    Inevitably, someone pipes up in a loud voice about Americans ignorantly renaming the sport to suit themselves, while another suggests that the NFL is to blame for the confusion.
    Well, now you can wade in and inform both parties that they are the misguided and ignorant ones. Politely and amicably, of course, though we'll allow you a little smugness.
    The word "soccer" is actually British. It derives from the game's proper name, association football, with the "soc" bit taken from the word "association" .

    The reason it came into popular usage was simple: in the 19th century, football and rugby were both commonly known as football, the former dubbed "association football" and the latter "rugby football". But both phrases are a bit of a mouthful, however, so they were popularly shortened to "soccer" and "rugger" to keep things simple.
    Now, your grandad and anybody else over the age of 50 probably knows this instinctively, though younger sports fans might well not since the word "soccer" hasn't been widely used in Britain for three or four decades.
    Yet on the other side of the pond, solving such problems is actually a full time job. And one that employed University of Michigan professor Stefan Szymanski for several months as, quite amazingly, he wrote a research paper to point out all of the above.
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    Szymanski's "research" goes to town on the various different types of football played in early 19th century Britain:
    "The rugby football game was shortened to 'rugger,' a term recognised in British English to the present day, and the association football game was, plausibly, shortened to 'soccer'" Szymanski wrote.
    Americans merely adopted the colloquialism, and understandably so given that their own, homegrown American Football (invented in 1869) would have been likely confused with the English kick-and-run sport.
    It was only by the 1980s, claims Szymanski, that the Brits decided to largely disassociate themselves with the term "soccer" due to it having become considered too "American". So a term created by Brits was effectively ditched.

    "In the US it seems to have had a more democratic flavour – everyone used it – and more easily shifted from a colloquialism to a proper name because of the utility of distinguishing it from the other 'football'," Szymanski explained.
    "Since 1980 the usage of the word 'soccer' has declined in British publications, and where it is used, it usually refers to an American context. This decline seems to be a reaction against the increased usage in the US which seems to be associated with the highpoint of the [North American Soccer League] around 1980."
    So perhaps it is time for snobbery and frustration towards American "soccer" fans to dissipate. After all, the poor folk 'over the pond' merely adopted accepted an established term. So there.
    Now all we have to do is persuade them that "baseball" is actually called "rounders", and that hockey should be played on grass or astroturf rather than at an ice rink, and all will be right with the world.
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    Re: Why soccer is the correct term ;)

    Post  alfiehammer on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 3:48 pm

    "and the association football game was, plausibly, shortened to 'soccer'" Szymanski wrote"


    seemingly or apparently valid, likely or acceptable. credible. 


    giving a deceptive impression of truth or reliability 


    sounds like Szymanski has made an educated guess there. My 75 year old grandad doesn't remember ever calling it soccer. maybe its something they tried but didn't take off. It clearly started off as associate football and rugby football and evolved into football and rugby respectively. 




    Also it takes a year for some daft phrase like 'sexting' (sex texting) to be used in towie and enter our dictionary, so if football has been football since 1980 then we can assume its football and not soccer, an oblate phrase that didn't catch on.




    interesting article though stoobs.




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    Post  mottinghammer on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 4:31 pm

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    Post  Jiggs on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 6:39 pm



    Yes Stoobs,  Verrry interrresting, but stoopid ..  cheesey grin


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    Post  Blakey on Mon 16 Jun 2014, 9:45 am

    Stoobs wrote:Now, your grandad and anybody else over the age of 50 probably knows this instinctively, though younger sports fans might well not since the word "soccer" hasn't been widely used in Britain for three or four decades.

    Let me quantify this for you.

    It's a load of old shite

    I'm over 50 and have never heard it referred to as "Soccer" by anyone but the Septics. I have ALWAYS heard it referred to as Football in this country, mainland Europe, the African nations and South America. 

    Your article is a load of old speculative bollix written by some snot nosed journo with nothing better to do but play guessing games.
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    Post  mottinghammer on Mon 16 Jun 2014, 11:18 am

    No you stay on the fence bus dude! muttley 
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    Post  alfiehammer on Mon 16 Jun 2014, 6:08 pm

    Blakey wrote:
    Stoobs wrote:Now, your grandad and anybody else over the age of 50 probably knows this instinctively, though younger sports fans might well not since the word "soccer" hasn't been widely used in Britain for three or four decades.

    Let me quantify this for you.

    It's a load of old shite

    I'm over 50 and have never heard it referred to as "Soccer" by anyone but the Septics. I have ALWAYS heard it referred to as Football in this country, mainland Europe, the African nations and South America. 

    Your article is a load of old speculative bollix written by some snot nosed journo with nothing better to do but play guessing games.


    And certainly not mellowing with old age
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    Post  Charlie Ham on Mon 16 Jun 2014, 6:43 pm

    I remember now and again the term Soccer being used in the 60s and 70s.

    Was there not a magazine called, "Star Soccer".

    South Africa use the term Soccer I think due to the amount of Rugby Football they played then.
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    Re: Why soccer is the correct term ;)

    Post  Tony P on Mon 16 Jun 2014, 7:43 pm

    Sorry Stoobs but.............horseshit - my multi-digited inbred friend !


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    Post  Admin on Mon 16 Jun 2014, 7:46 pm

    Crashed & Burned Stoobs  muttley
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    Post  Jiggs on Mon 16 Jun 2014, 8:15 pm

    Poor Stoobs   


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    Post  Stooby Doo 2002 on Mon 16 Jun 2014, 11:25 pm

    It's OK I just thought I'd throw out a bit of controversy and see what peoples reactions were to our beloved sport!

     
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    Post  Johnny K on Tue 17 Jun 2014, 8:56 am

    Going to throw a spanner in to the works & dirty the water (love a cliche, me) & say that I do remember it being called soccer in the UK when I was young.  Mainly by posh peeps & sometimes in those football annuals you'd get at Christmas.  People like Brian Glanville.

    Danny Baker has always maintained that the term soccer started in the UK to differentiate between rugby & football which were considered to be different forms of the same game.
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    Post  Charlie Ham on Wed 18 Jun 2014, 7:47 pm

    In support of poor young Stoobs.

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    Post  manurewa hammer on Mon 23 Jun 2014, 8:27 am

    Bit of support here Stoobs , Down here Rugby is football, and football is soccer (if you follow).
    Then you have the expat poms who try and 'dirty the waters" to use Johnny's phrase, by trying to confuse things. Rolling Eyes 
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    Post  Malenky Droogs on Tue 01 Jul 2014, 5:08 pm

    manurewa hammer wrote:Bit of support here Stoobs , Down here Rugby is football, and football is soccer (if you follow).
    Then you have the expat poms who try and 'dirty the waters" to use Johnny's phrase, by trying to confuse things. Rolling Eyes 

    Can never understand why Rugby is referred to us football when most of the game is spent throwing it to each other. (In an orderly fashion, mind) I find that the only people who refer to it as soccer, do so in an attempt to wind you up so I just ignore the attempt. It's mostly the rugby types and I was speaking to one to-day who was shaking his head in a contemptuous manner while simply repeating the names Suarez and Robben. I've sent him a link of a rugby playing sticking his thumb up an opponents bum. Said I now know why rugby types applaud each other off after the game. They are afraid to shake hands.


    I do see the irony of me posting on this thread to essentially say "I don't care" but that is the case.

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    Post  Campo on Tue 01 Jul 2014, 6:39 pm

    or spending half a match in a scum with your head no further than 6 inches from another dudes love spuds  gay fight 
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    Post  Admin on Tue 01 Jul 2014, 8:49 pm

    Or a Scrum  hatsoff
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    Re: Why soccer is the correct term ;)

    Post  manurewa hammer on Wed 02 Jul 2014, 8:39 am

    I'm tempted to bring "diving" into the conversation! But maybe we won't go there. Wink 

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