That's a 24% swing to yes in a month. First time YES clearly displaces the 'NO' ...
So ... ?
mottinghammer wrote:My family is half scots, with a name like Murdo not surprising, my wife was born and bred in Edinburgh, I served in the reserve forces for 26 years in a Scottish unit and I dearly love going to Scotland whenever I can. The current situation is caused by Nationalists like the wannabe next King of Scotland, Alex Salmond. Even for a politician he is odious in the extreme, he will bankrupt his country in a decade.
If the Jocks get independence he says they can keep the pound, er no, that decision will be made in Westminster not Edinburgh and Cameron and Clegg (Two more odious characters) have already said that will not happen. He then threatens not to pay the Jocks part of the UK national debt, IMF takes a very dim view of countries that fail to pair their debts, which will cause more problems for the jocks.
Around 10,000 people on the West coast of Scotland will find themselves out of work as the UK submarine fleet and everything else with it goes South. Many other defence jobs will go as the UK pulls it air-force and troops out of Scotland. They will not be allowed to join NATO or the EU straight away as both those organisations have stated that will not happen until they fulfil the criteria to join.
My brother-in-law runs a small hotel on the East coast and is as jockenese as they come, but even he realises that if they break away from the UK they have FA going for them. Oil will run out in 30 years, is owned by multi-nationals and if we wanted to be arsy we could re-route pipelines to Newcastle, the oil is not in Scottish territorial waters, in fact some of it is nearer Norway than Scotland. I fear for them if they get what the Nationalists want. There is already growing news of 'Nationalist' targeting English people and those opposed to the split in increasingly violent ways. That unfortunately is often the way of Nationalism, some one is going to suffer, and in this case it will be English people living in Scotland.
However if they vote yes later this month, then fine. We should pull out everything asap, treat them as a foreign nation, not in the EU, require them to have passports and visas to come to the UK and send back any that are unemployed living in the UK as undisirables. Stop all immigration and put up barriers to them entering our fair country, I think a wall would be good been done before, but taking a leaf out of 'Game of Thrones', this should be 700 feet high, made of ice and have catapults and scorpions on top to keep them out. Basically if they don't want to be part of the UK, fupp em wnakers! Just my IMHO of course
mottinghammer wrote:My family is half scots, with a name like Murdo not surprising, my wife was born and bred in Edinburgh, I served in the reserve forces for 26 years in a Scottish unit and I dearly love going to Scotland whenever I can. The current situation is caused by Nationalists like the wannabe next King of Scotland, Alex Salmond. Even for a politician he is odious in the extreme, he will bankrupt his country in a decade.
If the Jocks get independence he says they can keep the pound, er no, that decision will be made in Westminster not Edinburgh and Cameron and Clegg (Two more odious characters) have already said that will not happen. He then threatens not to pay the Jocks part of the UK national debt, IMF takes a very dim view of countries that fail to pair their debts, which will cause more problems for the jocks.
Around 10,000 people on the West coast of Scotland will find themselves out of work as the UK submarine fleet and everything else with it goes South. Many other defence jobs will go as the UK pulls it air-force and troops out of Scotland. They will not be allowed to join NATO or the EU straight away as both those organisations have stated that will not happen until they fulfil the criteria to join.
My brother-in-law runs a small hotel on the East coast and is as jockenese as they come, but even he realises that if they break away from the UK they have FA going for them. Oil will run out in 30 years, is owned by multi-nationals and if we wanted to be arsy we could re-route pipelines to Newcastle, the oil is not in Scottish territorial waters, in fact some of it is nearer Norway than Scotland. I fear for them if they get what the Nationalists want. There is already growing news of 'Nationalist' targeting English people and those opposed to the split in increasingly violent ways. That unfortunately is often the way of Nationalism, some one is going to suffer, and in this case it will be English people living in Scotland.
However if they vote yes later this month, then fine. We should pull out everything asap, treat them as a foreign nation, not in the EU, require them to have passports and visas to come to the UK and send back any that are unemployed living in the UK as undisirables. Stop all immigration and put up barriers to them entering our fair country, I think a wall would be good been done before, but taking a leaf out of 'Game of Thrones', this should be 700 feet high, made of ice and have catapults and scorpions on top to keep them out. Basically if they don't want to be part of the UK, fupp em wnakers! Just my IMHO of course
Johnny K wrote:EU membership could well be thwarted by Spain who have already hinted that they would oppose it as it would encourage Catalonia & the Basque region to go for independence.
Personally I'm a bit like Alfie. It's their country so let them decide. However a couple of things have got my back up this week. I've been having a debate with a Scotch mate on fb regarding the £, which I don't think they should be allowed to continue with. Britain made a huge effort to stay out of the Euro to keep the £ independent. Why should they have to risk the economy by having to babysit a new economy?
I also heard a yes person say this week that even if they lose 51%-49%, how will the UK appease the 49% who voted yes? Well surely that also applies if the result is 51-49 to the yes vote?.
Finally, Salmond's ridiculous claim that this is like the first South Africa election. He cannot in any way compare an open democracy with what the situation of black of South Africans & quite frankly that statement is insulting to the English especially given the number of Scots who live, work, stand for election in England.
westhamonkey wrote:
maybe I'm just a patronizing minge (I'm am English after all) but every time I hear the Scots talking about voting for independence all I hear myself saying is "awwwwww... bless"
mottinghammer wrote:While all the above is very? funny, there is another side to this that I had not given a lot of thought to. My wife is a jock, born in Edinburgh and she said to me the other night after watching another load of billocks from the odious Salmond that she was genuinely worried about where a yes vote would leave her and those like her living in England. She has lived here for the 35 years, her children were all born here, she does not want to live in Scotland anymore but still has her brother living there. Does she become a 'foreigner'? Does she lose here rights as a British citizen if the country of her birth becomes a foreign country, even though she has no say in how it votes?
While we are all flipentley taking the p**s out of this, it does have major implications for all of us, however we feel, and over 45m of us have no say in what happens next week, and as has been said above, once they vote there is no going back, no room for sorry we got it wrong, and no room for despondent jocks to try and immigrate to England once they are a third world country.
Then we have a potential war with Russia, the very real threat from IS and its supporters when they decide they need to come back to the UK as they don't get benefits in Syria.
At least we still have BFS and West ham to worry about!
Charlie Ham wrote:This is quite worrying.
The scot vote could effect all of us if they vote yes and most of us have no say.
If yes it means our GDP drops by 8% which could effect our balance of payment.
Defence will suffer due to Salmond not wanting to pay properly for a Scottish defence force.
The man and his party are anti English. He has no clue as to what can happen if they have a yes vote.
I don,t want to see them go because I feel we are stronger together but if they do go then we should pull any ship building back inside the UK. Make sure they cannot use our banking systems and withdraw any funding we have up there ASAP.
When it all falls apart on them we should just say, we told you so.