Tony P wrote: westhamonkey wrote:
ball in the net... fortunately the ref thinks because you bump into a keeper that it's a foul...
Hart is a pretty shitty keeper.
almost lost it 3-2
but 3 mins plus injury time... this will be written up as a sterling effort by a determined team
but it's honestly just a lucky escape by a bunch of no-hopers who were saved by a consulate goal poacher.
I am getting pretty fed up with the Hart-bashing. Just what facts have you got to support this statement? He is playing in front of one of the worst defences I have seen at this club for a long time. Tell me which one of the Man Utd or Southampton goals you think he should have saved?
Typical tony... but oh well... here's my response.
My contribution to what you call the "Hart bashing" comes from the following perspective(s)
Not all of my bashing of him is even his actual fault, so here goes...
The club decided to pick up Hart. They picked him up on a loan. In many ways I've no problem with loanees. But a loan is a loan. they are different to permanent signings.
So we have (had) two keepers - Randolf and Adrian. Both are good, bad or inconsistent... but neither were terrible.
So bringing in a high profile loanee kinda means they're gonna be thrown into the first team. So one of Adrian and Randolph looked like they were gonna get dropped down the pecking order.
Now Randolph has been our regular keeper recently, so it looked like he was gonna get the shaft. And he did.
The little gobshite Sullivan decided to go public saying Hart was the best keeper he'd ever worked with - which was absolutely the quickest and easiest way to really piss off any goalkeeper you'd ever worked with and especially the keepers you currently had.
So the arrival of a loan player - concentrate on the loan part not that Hart might have played for England - just seemed to me an exercise in upsetting the applecart - and for seemingly little positive reason.
A loan player arrival is going to completely upset the goalkeeping department - not Hart's fault.
So the club sells Randolph, has to do a major PR exercise to keep Adrian happy otherwise we'd have been stuck with a loanee and a trainee as our only goalkeeping options.
So my 'bashing' is in part the fault of the club, not Hart.
But that's only half the story.
I watched some pre-season games (yay, thanks internet) Yes. Hart shouted a lot, in a small stadium with hardly any crowd it's impossible not to hear him. But he wasn't good. Wasn't good at all. He was directly responsible for conceding goals - the pre-season evidence did not support the notion that this was someone who should waltz into the first team and completely upset the apple cart.
In one game we were kinda doing okay. At a point in the game and a point in the play when we were in no danger and under no pressure, Hart played the most horrible pass to a defender, put him in real danger, the opposition grabbed the ball as our defender tried to catch up with it, and slotted it past the out of position Hart... set the tone for the entire game. He was as solely responsible for that loss as anyone could ever be.
Yes, the whole team were poor against Man Utd and Soton... but Hart has done nothing in those two games to make himself look like anything other than an average at best keeper on his way out of a career.
He flaps at balls... punches when he should catch. His positioning is suspect (which probably contributes to the previous issues) and his distribution of the ball is awful...
Ignore his 'stats' from the first two games - no keeper is gonna look good when conceding 7 goals in 2 games... but look at this link from squawka - his pass accuracy is 44%. Okay... defend him by saying a long goal kick is easily intercepted by the opposition... but the keeper also gets the free ride of passing the ball to his defenders with no one else around... so to have a pass accuracy that embarrassing in two games is HORRIFYING.
Which probably explains the European debacle I mentioned above.
Here's a link to squawka...
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]Here's some more links to his time in Torino...
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]sure... maybe it's all a coincidence and this is just evidence of an Independent witch hunt against the poor fella.. but consider these two tit-bits if you don't wanna read the whole thing...
"Hart was directly at fault for Crotone’s equalising goal in the 1-1 draw, as he came haring off his line to punch a cross but missed the ball, gifting an easy equalising goal to substitute Simeon Nwankwo." (see a common pattern emerging?)
"The England number one has now conceded almost 50 goals in 30 league appearances this season and has made the second highest number of errors leading to goals in Serie A this season"
I know these just confirm my position... but I found them after I'd already been forming my own opinion of Hart and realized that I wasn't just making stuff up.
So you can be as incensed about the "Hart bashing" as you are but it doesn't change the fact that his arrival at West Ham has been pretty much a disaster so far... and if he is just a one season loan signing then that just makes it all the more heartbreaking and inexcusable.
Don't forget, we're the club of Mervyn Day (before he got married and went off the boil), Phil Parkes, Ludek Miklosko - we know good keepers when we see them... but we're not seeing one at the moment.
Last edited by westhamonkey on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 7:03 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : because of my terrible typing skills)
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