Carlton Cole

Is it just me or is Cole just not putting in the effort this season !?? Before every game I think to myself that this is going to be the game that cole gets his arse into gear and scores but after every game i`am lefted dispointed .
I have always hated cole etc but the fact that even the people WHO DID back Cole etc are now even getting on his back and slagging him is it time the pile of shit leaves us in january or in the summer now that we seem to be able to buy carroll at the end of the season ???

And could carroll coming in be the reason for cole`s dreadful,poor form at the start of this season and how long do you think will be until BFS sees what us fans see in cole : A USELESS WASTE OF A SHIRT !

I still dont understand how cole when put through one on one with the keeper by Nolan last night manage to put the ball nearer the cornor flag then the goal itself ?????!??!?

I didn't see the miss. I am also one of the west ham fans who normally backs Cole. And I certainly haven't got to the slagging him off stage (or any player for quite a long time actually).

I said before I think cole is a tryer and I will always appreciate any player who tries, even if that player is lacking in ability. worse for me is a talented player who looks like he can't give a shit out there.

I have also said before cole's role in the team isn't just to score goals, but to be the focal point in the attack and bring others into the game/ occupy defences. I've only seen high lights of west ham so far and they really don't represent to we'll a players whole game effort. It does however sound like cole is a) failing to score and b) failing to lead the line well.

I'm wondering if rather then give cole the kick up the ass needed, Carroll presence is fluttering cold who is trying to hard and consequently fluffing stuff. Just a theory.

A decent squad player and nothing more IMHO

What Alfie said. He does try for the team and that' all you can ask for end of the day. Imo he seems to get a hard time from the refs , he always gets pulled around and never gets the foul but the ref always gives them against him. Don't think h will ever be a 20+ goal striker in the prem but he does try.

Been here a million times with the Cole saga. I don't think he is good enough and I don't support the "tryer" tag-we would all try! Not good enough full stop and never has been except for 3 months under Zola before getting injured. If he can't play in a system designed for his type of play then he never will be able to. And he has had enough styles to shine with.

Lovely bloke and seems genuinely to love the club and is not one that is "above" himself but he just does not cut the mustard. I would rather we took money for him than Maynard or Baldock to be honest-at least they would provide alternatives.

shaun of the thread wrote:What Alfie said. He does try for the team and that' all you can ask for end of the day. Imo he seems to get a hard time from the refs , he always gets pulled around and never gets the foul but the ref always gives them against him. Don't think h will ever be a 20+ goal striker in the prem but he does try.

Agreed but the fact remains he is simply not - and never likely to be - a top Premiership striker. The difference in movement and sheer presence with Andy Carroll just magnifies the differences between them. A decent squad player, no more. I would put Maiga ahead of him behind Carroll right now

I thought he played well v Rangers apart from the miss which could have been very costly. I don't see him being anything other than Andy C's reserve or brought on for the last 10 for a full blown aerial attack if we are losing & looking to get something from the game.

I have been positive to CC for a number of years but the polls are tighening!

I'd keep him, always puts in a shift. yes maybe his spot will be off the the bench.

I have finally come off the fence regarding CFC, he is just not good enough. That miss on Monday night did not surprise me at all. In fact, I expected that to happen, I have no confidence in CFC being able to put the ball in the back of the net.

He's in the final year of his contract I believe. I also believe that the club are in no rush to negotiate an extension or renewal.

I would like us to sell him in January so we at least get something for / from (delete as applicable) him. I expect the Daves to do everything they can to make sure that Mr Carroll stays until the end of the season and then to make his transfer permanent.

I have been told by a bloke who knows a bloke that Cole has a secret career ending injury ...he wont be sold on and he wont get another contract .....



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Tony P wrote:

shaun of the thread wrote:What Alfie said. He does try for the team and that' all you can ask for end of the day. Imo he seems to get a hard time from the refs , he always gets pulled around and never gets the foul but the ref always gives them against him. Don't think h will ever be a 20+ goal striker in the prem but he does try.

Agreed but the fact remains he is simply not - and never likely to be - a top Premiership striker. The difference in movement and sheer presence with Andy Carroll just magnifies the differences between them. A decent squad player, no more. I would put Maiga ahead of him behind Carroll right now

^^this^^

Here are Cole`s stats in all competitions over the 7 years he has been with us :

06/07: APPS:8(13) GLS:3
07/08: APPS:25(12) GLS:6
08/09: APPS:30(2) GLS:12
09/10: APPS:27(5) GLS:10
10/11: APPS:26(17) GLS:11
11/12: APPS:31(12) GLS:15
12/13: APPS:5(1) GLS:0 (So far this season)

TOTAL: APPS:152(62)GLS:57

To me that is a very very poor record for a so called premiership striker

He aint a prem player end of . Is,t a shame as he looks and comes across as a right nice bloke but he aint really helping us that much at the mo , anyone got any ideas if Caroll gets called back to bin dippers

Real shame but have to admit the more and more I see of Cole of late.. he is never going to be good enough for what is expected of him, its a shame as he is one of the nice lads we have had at West Ham.

Arran H wrote:Here are Cole`s stats in all competitions over the 7 years he has been with us :

06/07: APPS:8(13) GLS:3
07/08: APPS:25(12) GLS:6
08/09: APPS:30(2) GLS:12
09/10: APPS:27(5) GLS:10
10/11: APPS:26(17) GLS:11
11/12: APPS:31(12) GLS:15
12/13: APPS:5(1) GLS:0 (So far this season)

TOTAL: APPS:152(62)GLS:57

To me that is a very very poor record for a so called premiership striker

Funny really arran, he had those 4 very reasonable years in a row (2008-2012), the rest not so good.

Maiga scores against Wigan but SAM still trust Cole to start so he feels he is still better than a 5m signing he made during the summer.

I wonder if good centre forwards actually need a nasty streak in them to be really effective and impose themselves, and Carlton just ain't got one.

manurewa hammer wrote:

Arran H wrote:Here are Cole`s stats in all competitions over the 7 years he has been with us :

06/07: APPS:8(13) GLS:3
07/08: APPS:25(12) GLS:6
08/09: APPS:30(2) GLS:12
09/10: APPS:27(5) GLS:10
10/11: APPS:26(17) GLS:11
11/12: APPS:31(12) GLS:15
12/13: APPS:5(1) GLS:0 (So far this season)

TOTAL: APPS:152(62)GLS:57

To me that is a very very poor record for a so called premiership striker

Funny really arran, he had those 4 very reasonable years in a row (2008-2012), the rest not so good.

I would not say that any of them seasons were acceptable for a striker IMO , Cole is shit end of ! Why BFS continues to play him ahead of Maiga is why finguck rediclus IMO !! Why finguck spend 5m on a striker and not play him !?!?! and the same goes for last season with maynard and baldock , now look what baldock is doing for bristol city !!

I think this sums up what we all think of cole :hanging:

Arran H wrote:

manurewa hammer wrote:

Arran H wrote:Here are Cole`s stats in all competitions over the 7 years he has been with us :

06/07: APPS:8(13) GLS:3
07/08: APPS:25(12) GLS:6
08/09: APPS:30(2) GLS:12
09/10: APPS:27(5) GLS:10
10/11: APPS:26(17) GLS:11
11/12: APPS:31(12) GLS:15
12/13: APPS:5(1) GLS:0 (So far this season)

TOTAL: APPS:152(62)GLS:57

To me that is a very very poor record for a so called premiership striker

Funny really arran, he had those 4 very reasonable years in a row (2008-2012), the rest not so good.

I would not say that any of them seasons were acceptable for a striker IMO , Cole is shit end of ! Why BFS continues to play him ahead of Maiga is why finguck rediclus IMO !! Why finguck spend 5m on a striker and not play him !?!?! and the same goes for last season with maynard and baldock , now look what baldock is doing for bristol city !!

Wayne Rooney

2004–05 43 17
2005–06 48 19
2006–07 55 23
2007–08 43 18
2008–09 49 20
2009–10 44 34
2010–11 40 16
2011–12 44 35

366 games 182 goals = 2.01 games per goal Rooney on £150,000 a week, Rooney cost £26 million
152 games 57 goals = 2.66 games per goal Cole on £35,000 a week, Cole cost ~ £4 million

To be fair for what Carlton has cost us his goals to games ratio isn't that bad....Sure there are better out there but look at the difference between Rooney and Cole.....If it wasn't for Cole on the back post how many goals would we have let in from corners and free kicks? How many balls has Carlton won in the air for build up play that leads to a situation where a goal occurs? Sure he misses a lot but I am not gonna say he is shit purely because I'm not gonna judge him on goals alone!

Also Maiga has a worse goal scoring record than Cole.....I think even Kevin Phillips has a better scoring record than Maiga!!! He is back up to the first team imo and would not really see Maiga having a starting berth any time soon!

Strange stuff, a few short weeks ago we thought we were sorted with Cole, Carroll and Maiga. Now here we are after only 6 games wishing we had a decent striker and wanting to get rid of Cole and Maiga ( or are we?)

manurewa hammer wrote:Strange stuff, a few short weeks ago we thought we were sorted with Cole, Carroll and Maiga. Now here we are after only 6 games wishing we had a decent striker and wanting to get rid of Cole and Maiga ( or are we?)

The only striker I want BFS to get rid of is Carlton(I`am so shit)Cole , Want us to keep Carroll & Maiga and sell cole and bring in a better striker