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    Post  Tony P Wed 09 Nov 2011, 4:43 pm

    Not sure that either the Velodrome (indoor arena 7,000 seats) or the hockey pitch (3,000 temporary seats - which is moving after the games to somewhere else in the park) are viable options

    The only ready-made venue is the OS. Unfortunately the running track has to remain for 99 years as per the terms of the lease. Whether or not temporary seating can be housed on it during the football season remains to be seen

    Maybe if developing the Boleyn or moving to the OS are not options then G&S will have to look at building our own ground. Where that will be is the £100m question !
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    Post  Blakey Wed 09 Nov 2011, 5:54 pm

    Tony P wrote:Not sure that either the Velodrome (indoor arena 7,000 seats) or the hockey pitch (3,000 temporary seats - which is moving after the games to somewhere else in the park) are viable options


    Why not?? Even if they are taken down and moved, surely the land that they sat on will be vacant??

    The Olympic Park will surely provide several options for either building acquisition or area(s) prime for development
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    Post  Admin Wed 09 Nov 2011, 6:04 pm

    Blakey wrote:
    Tony P wrote:Not sure that either the Velodrome (indoor arena 7,000 seats) or the hockey pitch (3,000 temporary seats - which is moving after the games to somewhere else in the park) are viable options


    Why not?? Even if they are taken down and moved, surely the land that they sat on will be vacant??

    The Olympic Park will surely provide several options for either building acquisition or area(s) prime for development


    That should be fun , with the "O",s getting the 60,000 seater with the running track and us getting a new gaff only spitting distance away Very Happy
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    Post  Tony P Wed 09 Nov 2011, 6:41 pm

    Blakey wrote:
    Tony P wrote:Not sure that either the Velodrome (indoor arena 7,000 seats) or the hockey pitch (3,000 temporary seats - which is moving after the games to somewhere else in the park) are viable options


    Why not?? Even if they are taken down and moved, surely the land that they sat on will be vacant??

    The Olympic Park will surely provide several options for either building acquisition or area(s) prime for development

    Just can't see planning permission being granted

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    Post  Geezer Mon 16 Jan 2012, 12:29 pm


    Vice-chairman Karren Brady has confirmed West Ham are considering a fresh bid to lease the Olympic Stadium.

    The Hammers were named as the preferred bidders in February 2011, but the deal collapsed amid concerns over delays caused by the legal dispute with Tottenham.

    The stadium will now remain in public ownership following the 2012 Games and be leased out with the Olympic Park Legacy Company (OPLC) covering the cost of transforming the venue.

    "The new tender has come out and we're going through that at the moment," Brady told Sky Sports News

    "If we decide to tender again our application will go in by March 23 and the deadline for a decision is May 21, so it will come around pretty quickly.

    "We're in the data room at the minute looking at the processes, looking at what's on offer, looking at being a tenant and an owner and working out whether that fits in with West Ham's plan.

    "I think we'd look to improve and develop Upton Park if we stayed. If we moved it would be to the Olympic Stadium due to its close proximity. It's in our borough. It's in our heartland. It needs a legacy."

    "One of the things it was built for was to create that legacy and we really think football and athletics can w**k together to create the jobs and community.

    "Things have to be right. It has to be right from a football point of view, from a spectator point of view and from a business point of view."
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    Post  Admin Tue 17 Jan 2012, 5:25 pm

    Campaign group WHU's View have received assurances from the club over a ballot on the Olympic Stadium move.

    The group - which has received the backing of nearly 2,000 people so far in their campaign to force West Ham United's board to hold a referendum of supporters over the stadium switch - received confirmation from vice-chair Karren Brady this week that should the club opt to move to Stratford, a poll will be held.

    "We have been contacted by Karren Brady confirming that the Club will hold a ballot of some sort if they decide to bid for the Olympic Stadium," read the group's latest missive.

    "The Club are also to arrange a meeting with members of the committee to discuss issues such as who will be balloted, when and how. We hope to have a constructive debate with the Club in the near future and then intend to report back.

    "Sufficient numbers have registered with WHU's View to prompt the club to confirm a ballot will be held. We are now anxious to avoid delay and we will continue to press for this and to hold the Club to their promises."

    The campaign started last Autumn after the group accused David Gold and David Sullivan of reneging on their ten point pledge, made in May 2010 after Gianfranco Zola had narrowly managed to avoid relegation.

    The final point on the list insisted that the board would 'listen to the supporters' - a promise that the board were accused of failing to adhere to when pressing on with plans to move to Stratford despite opposition from a sizeable proportion of the club's fanbase.

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    Post  Campo Wed 18 Jan 2012, 12:27 pm

    Another one knicked

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    Post  Geezer Wed 18 Jan 2012, 3:07 pm

    ThreeWheeling wrote:Another one knicked

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    A fourth man has been arrested in connection with the ongoing police investigation into claims Tottenham Hotspur spied on Olympic officials and rival club West Ham during the stadium bidding process.
    The 45-year-old from south London has been held on suspicion of fraud offences after police searched a residential property and seized an amount of material.
    The arrest follows that of private investigator Howard Hill last week, a former partner at accountancy firm PKF who obtained the telephone records of West Ham vice-chairman Karren Brady at the height of the bidding process.
    :: More on the Olympics
    PKF and Hill, were engaged by Tottenham to carry out unspecified investigations into West Ham when both clubs were vying to take over the stadium after the Olympic Games this summer.
    Olympic Park Legacy Company (OPLC) chairwoman Baroness Ford claimed in November that the north London football club had all 14 members of her board monitored by private investigators.
    Two other men were arrested that month in connection with the illegal procurement of information.
    Spurs deny putting officials under surveillance.
    A deal with West Ham and Newham Council to use the stadium in Stratford, east
    London, after the 2012 Games collapsed in October last year, with the Government announcing that the stadium would remain in public ownership.
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    Post  Admin Wed 25 Jan 2012, 4:10 pm

    Hearnia says on Talkshite
    Leyton Orient chairman Barry Hearn discusses the ongoing issues over the future of the Olympic Stadium and says 'Tottenham's idea to knock down the Olympic Stadium and build a proper one is about the only way forward'.

    I,d like to knock him down , kin tosser angry2 [/i]
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    Post  Admin Mon 06 Feb 2012, 10:25 am

    Olympic Stadium: Hammers desire
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    West Ham vice-chairman Karren Brady insists the club remain committed to the idea of moving to the Olympic Stadium.

    The Olympic Park Legacy Committee abandoned the original deal to sell the venue to the Hammers last October amid concerns over delays caused by legal challenges from Tottenham and Leyton Orient.
    The stadium will now remain in public ownership after the Games and will be rented out from 2014 to the successful bidder.
    Reports last week suggested the Hammers had cooled their interest in the prospect but Brady insists their hat is still in the ring.
    She told The Independent: "I wouldn't be dragging my body to all the meetings, or reading through a 900-page document every night, if we weren't still committed.
    "We do genuinely believe that we could make the stadium a success, both in terms of our physical presence, and encouraging football supporters to become involved in other sports.
    "It's too big and too serious a conversation to say 'if I were betting'. And I don't want to negotiate in public. This is a serious process to make sure everything is right.
    "We're not going there for one match, it's 99 years. But our commitment to make the stadium w**k is still there. Bids are due in by 23 March, and we've done that."
    Brady admits she was bitterly disappointed to see West Ham's proposed takeover of the venue fall through after playing a central role in preparing their original bid.
    "My biggest disappointment is that I spent two years of my life getting to be preferred bidder for the Olympic Stadium," she added.
    "It was their competition, their rules, and we abided by that, and then not being the preferred bidder, and having to go through another process, is like someone giving you the keys and then changing the locks.
    "We should now be planning a future there, as opposed to having to go back and review everything."
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    Post  Campo Mon 06 Feb 2012, 1:27 pm

    this is going to go on for a long time yet i feel.. its a total clusterfuck !!
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    Post  Charlie Ham Mon 06 Feb 2012, 6:53 pm

    Can't help thinking who ever designed this stadium must hate football.
    The worst shape for a football ground.
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    Post  Jiggs Mon 06 Feb 2012, 7:57 pm

    Two years of her life, on this ridiculous idea, would appear somewhat dumb for a
    woman of her intelligence. Give it up Karren ffs Rolling Eyes
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    Post  Campo Mon 06 Feb 2012, 8:50 pm

    bloody hell , she been here 2 years already
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    Post  Campo Tue 07 Feb 2012, 10:11 am

    I think this may end our interest in the OS

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    this was a big part of what the daves wanted
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    Post  mottinghammer Tue 07 Feb 2012, 10:16 am

    yeah at the end of the day they are business men, and where is the money coming to them from? Sale of the Boleyn, yes, but the big bucks were the naming rights for the new place and then getting extra dosh on it being used when we wernt playing. Now that will go elsewhere, what do they or West Ham get out of it? Not a lot, redevelop UP or find somewhere else in the borough. Been some talk about the area around the old memorial ground in Canning Town, that would be a turn up for the books really going back to our roots!
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    Post  Campo Tue 07 Feb 2012, 11:23 am

    exactly motty, cash in would come from the gate, the only way to fill it would be to reduce the price of a ticket and out of that they need to pay rent on the place

    time to shitcan the OS
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    Post  Geezer Thu 16 Feb 2012, 10:37 am

    Olympic Stadium: Architect sunk Hammers
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    The architect of the Olympic Stadium says he is the man behind the anonymous complaint which derailed West Ham's bid for the stadium.

    In an exclusive interview with Sky Sports News, Steve Lawrence said he complained to the EU Commission because he felt the bidding process for the future use of the stadium was "opaque" and could lead to a heavy burden on the taxpayer.
    He believed a joint athletics-football legacy would never generate the cash needed to sustain the stadium.
    West Ham FC along with Newham Council were granted tenancy of the stadium after the 2012 Games in February last year.
    Rival bidders Tottenham and Leyton Orient launched a judicial review against the decision shortly after, claiming a £40 million loan Newham Council made to West Ham FC amounted to unfair state aid to a commercial firm.
    The government cited the anonymous complaint as their reason for collapsing the deal. They claimed European litigation could paralyse the legacy for years. However Lawrence disputes the government's reasoning over the collapsing of the deal.
    He said: "I identified the problem very early on at the beginning of 2011. If it had been dealt with properly and had they listened I wouldn't have needed to make the complaint because they would have been dealing with the issue.
    "My feeling is that they used the complaint as an excuse for pulling out in advance of the judicial review (with Spurs and Leyton Orient) as they knew they were going to lose."
    Lawrence has been left frustrated by the procedure: "I felt that this could bring about great change and I saw this process turning into a debacle and it was not generating a sensible legacy. In its present form with athletics only, it's definitely not viable. As things stand we will be supporting the Olympic stadium for the next 100 years."
    Lawrence's solution would be to build an athletics stadium where the warm up track will be and then allow the stadium to be converted for football only use, possibly with joint tenancy for West Ham and Leyton Orient.
    "My recommendation is to take a step back, take a good look at it and then I think we can wind up with a genuine legacy," he concluded.
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    Post  mottinghammer Thu 16 Feb 2012, 3:23 pm

    What a self centred opinionated twat! But as I dont really want us to go there, dont give a flying fcuk! We need a proper football ground where we can see the players and feel part of it, cant see that happening when you are 100m away.
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    Post  Charlie Ham Thu 16 Feb 2012, 5:44 pm

    Well Mr Lawrence looks like you are the man which will cost the taxpayer a lot of our cash looking after
    a white elephant.
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    Post  Geezer Fri 17 Feb 2012, 2:30 pm

    Written by Paul Walker

    The more this protracted, tiresome Olympic stadium debate continues, the more worrying questions it throws up.

    Now we discover that Steve Vaughan, the architect initially responsible for the Olympic Park is revealed as the 'anonymous objector' to the EU that brought about the collapse of West Ham’s plans to take over the Stratford stadium after this summer’s games.

    Mind you, the first question is, who really knew that Vaughan was the man behind the complaint?

    He insists it was not an anonymous complaint. So did the Government know, did Boris know, did the OPLC know and more to the point, did West Ham or Newham Council know?

    Vaughan maintains that the stadium is not right for football, and was never designed for such an outcome.

    He also maintains that football is the only financially viable professional sport that can make a success of the stadium in the future. Yes, you have guessed it….why was the stadium therefore not designed with a football heritage in mind Mr. Vaughan? You must have had some part of that decision making. Good grief, sometimes you just couldn’t make it up!

    Simple, this. The stadium is a circle. Football is played in rectangular stadiums. As is rugby, and actually athletics. The only sports that seem to survive in circles is cricket and the various mad forms of Aussie sport.

    And although I have been generally browned off with Orient owner Barry Hearn’s involvement in all the legal stuff, he is actually being shown to be right on this point. The stadium was a cock-up right from the start.

    Now Vaughan is suggesting that the warm-up track can be converted for the athletics legacy, and the stadium should be converted for West Ham and Orient to share as a football ground without a track.

    Much the same as the Manchester City model following the Commonwealth Games. Manchester Council had City’s involvement from the start, before a spade ever entered the ground because they knew it would be a white elephant otherwise. It is only the smug athletics world (yes, you, Seb Coe) who insists that athletics can survive financially in such a giant stadium.

    City agreed to give Manchester Council their former home at Maine Road, in exchange for a long-term lease at Eastlands because the authorities could never have afforded to maintain the ground otherwise.

    So the stadium was built with a submerged lower tier of seating that was dug out after the Commonwealth Games, with the track being removed, and now City have a perfect stadium for their future use. They were not given it as a gift, they actually made the Commonwealth Games possible in Manchester.

    And athletics have a smaller, viable converted warm-up track for their use.

    It has been asked before, but here goes again. Why on earth was the Olympic stadium not planned along such lines of co-operation? The warm-up track in Stratford would be more than adequate for athletics’ needs. But then the Olympic athletics organisers were too pig-headed to admit to such a position.

    Vaughan is now saying that he complained to the EU in October because he feared that the £40million loan from Newham Council could be considered illegal state aid. Why did he take so long?

    He fears that if West Ham sell off the Boleyn and move to Stratford, any football club at a later date (Spurs or Orient, we must assume) could complain to the EU, and if they won their case then West Ham would have to pay back the loan or even pay for the stadium. That clearly could not afford and we would have been homeless, because the stadium would have to be handed back to the authorities.

    Vaughan even suggests that West Ham would die. Now the real question. Just how much of this possibility did West Ham’s board know? How long ago was it suggested to them that they were playing with fire and could in effect, put our whole existence in danger?

    If they didn’t know, did the Government or Boris’ lot? Or even the OPLC? It worries me that such a fundamental part of the pre-planning did not throw up this possible outcome. Vaughan seems to have known, why was it not considered fully much earlier?

    Or was the political authorities, and West Ham, so desperate to get a future legacy in place before the Games took place, that such little problems were ignored or swept aside in the head long desire to make the Olympics a success?.

    Yes, the same Olympics that has produced a ticket buying fiasco (now isn’t that a surprise) and a furious attempt to make the rest of the UK believe these games are for them, all-inclusive.

    Now these days I do not live in London, and have not been swept up in Olympic fever. I do not hear the Olympics being discussed much in my local pub (Man City and Man United hold sway there, and West Ham when I can get a word in edgeways).

    I don’t know anyone who has got tickets or even applied for them. But I hear plenty of complaints that taxes and lottery money from outside the south is paying for it all rather than schools and the NHS, and we should be grateful for a few football matches in Cardiff, Coventry, Manchester, Newcastle and Glasgow. Plus a fleeting sight of the flame when it goes off around the UK. Ok, I digress, rant over.

    Back to the Olympic stadium future. I sense that too much energy was thrown at making the whole thing w**k and for a Government not to be saddled with a white elephant stadium, than to consider properly West Ham United’s future. Our club. Our heritage.

    It looked a good business plan. Our board sold the Boleyn, paid off the debts and moved to a stadium with the potential of vast wealth from naming rights. But that is now not the case.

    We are told we are still interested in just renting the stadium, but not having any revenue from naming rights. And with the track staying.

    Please remind me: Just why do we want to go there? Heard reckons that even the seats are not at the right angle, to make watching from the lower tier very difficult.

    Answers please from everyone. The Government, Boris, the OPLC, and of course our own beloved board and Ms. Brady, who says she has devoted two years of her life to all this. And this is the mess we are left with!
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    Post  Suzanne Claret Fri 17 Feb 2012, 3:11 pm

    Well he can fcuk right off – if he’d had half a brain he would have designed the OS so that it could be used by other sports (all he has done is create a white elephant) like the City of Manchester stadium was for the Commonwealth Games.

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    Post  Campo Fri 17 Feb 2012, 3:38 pm

    turns out that twat had nothing to do with the design of the stadium, he should keep his beak out of stuff that has fcuk all to do with him
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    Post  Admin Fri 17 Feb 2012, 4:14 pm

    Makes you wonder how some of these plonkers bullshit their way into these jobs and what wanker/wankers interviews them . It looks to me like some plonker/plonkers has been giving it charlie big potatoes with this whole stadium lark , " I know , lets make this place look the bollix , dont matter what it costs , the tax payers will foot the bill in the end " . Why the fcuk did,nt they look to the future and after the games . IMHO , the only way to make this w**k is to give to us , dig a bloody big hole where the pitch and running track is , put more seats in over where the track was and hey presto seats are closer to the pitch . Put some sort of removable hoardings up on the top tiers , job done



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    Post  mottinghammer Sat 18 Feb 2012, 10:49 am

    Sounds good to me but aint gonna happen cos Lord Coe Olympic Park Legacy Company pull the plug  - Page 3 3725042725 has promised that it will remain with a track around it.

    This is going to be another white elephant like the dome, until someone (O2) came along and made it into something worthwhile. Best thing GaS can do is bail out, let it become a white elephant and buy it for a knock down price in 5 years time, when we are re-established as a premier club.

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